When I made my first wine( out of kiwis(mentioned earlier in the thread)). It was ok for cooking, but all in all, it tasted like crap. Fast forward a few months and we go to a food and wine festival (I think at Foxwoods in CT). My wife says to me, "Im going to look around, and find the most popular, expensive, well known wine and taste it, just so I know what to compare your wine to,and see how it measures up." Keep in mind, my wife doesnt drink at all, and especially hates wine. Anyway, finds a popular known name ( I dont remember what it was) and she asked if she can sample their best , most expensive wine. She takes one sip, makes that face a kid would make after eating something they hate , turns tome and says( out loud so not only I, but the guy who represented the wine company could hear) "Your wine must be really good , cause this expensive stuff tastes just as crappy as yours". As embarrassed as I was, Laughed like hell and we still talk about it 20 years later. I have since graduated to apple and cranberry wine (equally as crappy). This year, I want to purchase a lot of grapes, and do the grape stomping thing.