Do pannetone and ciabatta burn out your KitchenAid?

[BAPyessir6]

1. Higher hydration (ciabatta) dough, I find, is hard to work with as it can lose its gas pretty quickly due to either not being gentle with the dough during forming or not doing slap golds/stretch golds good enough. I therefore want to improve my technique with high hydration doughs.

2. I bought a pannetone from Aldi the other day to try it, and it was SUPER strong of cocoa liquor. Like alcoholic. (I realize I don't like a super strong alcoholic taste in food). And I figured if I make it homemade, I can lessen/eliminate that taste. I therefore also wanna make pannetone soon.

I have heard, however, that high hydration doughs and pannetone both (pannetone takes forever to mix, though I don't know if it's a "high hydration doughs" as I haven't looked at it, while ciabatta takes forever to mix as it's a high hydration doughs that needs strength to rise.

THE QUESTION HERE!:

Due to taking forever to mix, people say that these doughs (Pannetone and ciabatta's high hydration) can burn out your KitchenAid faster if you make them regularly. I have a bread maker from my mom so it's fine, but for future reference, do I need to worry about high hydration doughs making my KitchenAid struggle? Is a bread maker better to mix these doughs?

Or is it better to work these doughs by hand?

And another question: is overworking a ciabatta dough harder due to the high hydration? Or easier? Or the same? (I hear KitchenAid kneads your dough like twice as fast than kneading by hand does. I know it's an experience thing, but I'm curious as to how quickly on average that overworking happens).

 

[medtran49]

It's more the amount of dough. I stripped a gear in my KA years ago making a triple recipe of pizza dough.

 

[Andy M.]

A high hydration dough should be easier to knead in a KA because it's softer/less firm. The issue with overload is if you mix too much dough at once.

My experience is similar to medtran's. I used to make bagels in larger quantities. It was struggle for my KA. Stripped the plastic gear. I cut down the size of the dough in the mixer at one time and it's been fine since.

 

[pepperhead212]

I agree with Andy - it seems the firmer doughs, like bagels, would strain the machines, more than the higher hydration doughs. And the sticky, high hydration doughs are much easier in a mixer!

 

[Kathleen]

Our first KA was also a victim of bagel-making. Smaller amounts are important now.

 

[Sir_Loin_of_Beef]

I don't have a KitchenAid mixer. I used to, but it was stolen by those unscrupulous movers I hired. I have a Wolfgang Puck universal mixer, which would work for dough,

but I have found it much easier to use a bread machine.

 

[HeyItsSara]

I'm also a bread machine girl!

 

[BAPyessir6]

I don't have a KitchenAid mixer. I used to, but it was stolen by those unscrupulous movers I hired. I have a Wolfgang Puck universal mixer, which would work for dough,
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but I have found it much easier to use a bread machine.
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For real it got stolen? (I'm genuinely curious and wondering if this is what really happened, as I know you're quite a hilarious jokester.). Though I doubt this is something you'd joke about.

If so, I'm so sorry! I don't suppose you could . . .have them arrested or sue them maybe?

 

[dragnlaw]

For real it got stolen? (I'm genuinely curious and wondering if this is what really happened, as I know you're quite a hilarious jokester.). Though I doubt this is something you'd joke about.

If so, I'm so sorry! I don't suppose you could . . .have them arrested or sue them maybe?

Has to be proof. Not an easy thing to do. Even to claim on insurance, again has to be proof. And can you even claim a $400 object with a deductible of insurance at $1,000?

 

[Sir_Loin_of_Beef]

Long story. Here's the Readers Digest version. Sold my house. I hired a moving company to take all my furniture to Niagara Falls, where I would be taking care of my father. They instead took it to their offices in New Jersey and held it for ransom, saying I had to pay them $3000 more. I filed a compliant with the NJ AG office. I never got my furniture back, but their DOT license was revoked, which put them out of business.

 

[taxlady]

I don't have a KitchenAid mixer. I used to, but it was stolen by those unscrupulous movers I hired. I have a Wolfgang Puck universal mixer, which would work for dough,
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but I have found it much easier to use a bread machine.
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How much do you like that Wolfgang Puck mixer? It looks interesting.

 

[Sir_Loin_of_Beef]

It has its drawbacks, but it does the job satisfactorily. Unfortunately it has been discontinued, so you can't get replacement parts for it.

 

[CharlieD]

In all the truth KA is not a good
Food processor for serious backing. Good ones have the ball turn in one direction and the paddle onto the other direction. That allows for faster and much better mixing.