Need help please

[Ruffsta]

see #6 & #16

 

[Ruffsta]

i don't feel i'll get to the bottom of this because this post is ongoing with no real final answer...

 

[blissful]

Okay you have two problems.
You are trying to say salt or sodium, they are not the same. 9 grams of salt is not 9 grams of sodium. Sodium is measured in mg, salt is measured in grams. Sodium is just a part of the salt.

I answered your question in # 18 and 20. 54.8 mg sodium per serving.
AND
You keep asking for a percentage of something, what do you want the percentage of? I want the percentage of _________(fill in the blank) in each ___________(fill in the blank)?

 

[Ruffsta]

look at sodium... MG & % - i dunno if that's per serving or per bottle..

either way i need to figure out that AND the sugar (which i haven't mentioned yet)

salt is sodium.. and sugar is sugars...


goes back to a full batch has 144g of salt and 220g of light brown sugar

that batch gives me 8 bottles and .72 of another bottle - (that will be used in another batch)..

so if a bottle holds 120 servings and each serving is 1/4 tsp.. how do i plug in the numbers to find out the salt/sodium to put on the label? that's the whole point of this topic... i can't make it more clear than this.. i gave info and pics to get to the end result of what i'm going for honestly..

there's 741.46g of product and of that only 144g of salt... a 1/4 tsp of the product cannot hold that much salt.... bottle is 3oz (84g) 120 servings

same with the sugar.. the batch only has 220g of light brown sugar.. so it can't be that much per 1/4 tsp...

these are the only 2 things stopping me from printing my labels....

well, that and serving size is 1/4 tsp.. but again my 1/4 tsp doesn't make a gram.. my blend is light so i can't do the grams until i get a new gram scale.. but i'm not worried about that..

 

[blissful]

Q:look at sodium... MG & % - i dunno if that's per serving or per bottle..


That is sodium (not salt), in mgs, and to the right, that is % of daily value (for each serving).


Q: either way i need to figure out that AND the sugar (which i haven't mentioned yet)


Sugar will be easier because sugar=sugar (in grams) and (% of daily value).


Q: salt is sodium.. and sugar is sugars...


Right, salt has some sodium in it, sugar just has sugar in it.


Now you need the number of grams or mgs of 'the daily value'.



The 2020-2025 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend that Americans consume less than 2,300 milligrams (mg) of sodium per day as part of a healthy eating pattern.


Sugar doesn't have a 'daily value', but added sugar does have a 'daily value'. Let's come back to that in the morning.



Back to sodium, (54.8 mg/2300 mg) then multiplied by 100=2.38%
For sodium, then, 2.38% of the daily value.


Feel free to double check but I'm thinking this is about right, especially if you have large 3 oz jars of spice mix, and 1/4 tsp is a small amount, most of it spices and a little salt.

 

[Ruffsta]

it's a standard 5.5oz plastic spice jar 48/485.. you can get them from:

https://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=83311&clickid=search - but 3oz of my spice blend just about fills it up - so it's not large.. it's an average size bottle

 

[blissful]

Yep, then that looks right. I also checked another label for the nutrition percentage on sodium. Theirs had twice the amount of mgs of sodium, of yours, and also twice the amount of % of daily value (5%) of sodium as well. So it all seems to work fine.

 

[blissful]

For the sugar, tomorrow. The FDA website says:
What Are Added Sugars and How Are They Different from Total Sugars?

1. Total Sugars

Total Sugars include sugars naturally present in many nutritious foods and beverages, such as sugar in milk and fruits as well as any added sugars that may be present in the product. There is no Daily Value* for total sugars because no recommendation has been made for the total amount to eat in a day.
2. Added Sugars

Added sugars include sugars that are added during the processing of foods (such as sucrose or dextrose), foods packaged as sweeteners (such as table sugar), sugars from syrups and honey, and sugars from concentrated fruit or vegetable juices. They do not include naturally occurring sugars that are found in milk, fruits, and vegetables. The Daily Value for added sugars is 50 grams per day based on a 2,000 calorie daily diet.
For most Americans, the main sources of added sugars are sugar-sweetened beverages, baked goods, desserts, and sweets.


https://www.fda.gov/food/new-nutrition-facts-label/added-sugars-new-nutrition-facts-label


I think that we will have to figure out 'daily value' % on the sugar, for the ADDED Sugar. Do you agree?


You may need to calculate the natural sugar in the herbs/spices/ingredients other than the added sugar and salt. I don't know. What do you think? Is there guidance on that?

 

[Ruffsta]

my label.. but until i get the salt/sodium and sugar down on that nutrition fact.. i can't print and start selling.. bad ass ain't it? lol

 

[Ruffsta]

For the sugar, tomorrow. The FDA website says:
What Are Added Sugars and How Are They Different from Total Sugars?

1. Total Sugars

Total Sugars include sugars naturally present in many nutritious foods and beverages, such as sugar in milk and fruits as well as any added sugars that may be present in the product. There is no Daily Value* for total sugars because no recommendation has been made for the total amount to eat in a day.
2. Added Sugars

Added sugars include sugars that are added during the processing of foods (such as sucrose or dextrose), foods packaged as sweeteners (such as table sugar), sugars from syrups and honey, and sugars from concentrated fruit or vegetable juices. They do not include naturally occurring sugars that are found in milk, fruits, and vegetables. The Daily Value for added sugars is 50 grams per day based on a 2,000 calorie daily diet.
For most Americans, the main sources of added sugars are sugar-sweetened beverages, baked goods, desserts, and sweets.


https://www.fda.gov/food/new-nutrition-facts-label/added-sugars-new-nutrition-facts-label


I think that we will have to figure out 'daily value' % on the sugar, for the ADDED Sugar. Do you agree?


You may need to calculate the natural sugar in the herbs/spices/ingredients other than the added sugar and salt. I don't know. What do you think? Is there guidance on that?

i don't have to list the spices if they are listed on the FDA site:
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?CFRPart=182&showFR=1

but i DO have to list salt/sodium & sugars because they are basically accents..

so my ingredients will say:

INGREDIENTS:
Salt, Sugar & Spices

i do NOT have to list things like paprika, black pepper and such as they are defined as safe daily spices.. if you look at a lot of labels you will see "& spices".. that is the reason why.. so all i am concerned about is the sodium and sugar so i can finally print my labels.


and i like that because if you list all the ingredients.. people will try to make yer blend.. it will not be the same, but if they are happy with what they come up with then they won't buy yours.. so i really like this little clause best thing ever!

 

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Nutrition Analysis Software

Choose one that best fits your needs.

 

[blissful]

Cool Sirloin!


https://www.fda.gov/files/food/published/Food-Labeling-Guide-(PDF).pdf
Page 18, number 10:

10. How are spices, natural flavors or artificial flavors declared in
ingredient lists?
Answer: These may be declared in ingredient lists by using either specific
common or usual names or by using the declarations “spices,” “flavor” or
“natural flavor,” or “artificial flavor.”
“INGREDIENTS: Apple Slices, Water, Cane Syrup, Corn Syrup, Modified
Corn Starch, Spices, Salt, Natural Flavor and Artificial Flavor”
However, products that are spices or spice blends, flavors or colors must list
each ingredient by name. FD&C Act 403(i)(2) and 21 CFR 101.22(h)(1)


I didn't think you'd like this. Sorry!

 

[msmofet]

You need to calculate your amounts in a certain standard, that being amount by volume, or weight.
There are 28.35 (technically, 28.34952... depending on the significant digit you need in your calculation)
For practical purposes, one quarter ounce is 7 grams. The overage is skim profit for the dealer, er., supplier/manufacturer.

If you want to be very specific, both weigh each amount, and measure in volume by cup or fraction thereof (or whole or fractions of spoons. More confusion).

Or, you can input your recipe into a lot of websites for publication, and they will give you their assumption of nutritional ingredients.

Or, you can send me your secret recipe, and I will give you the answers, and never pass it on. I swear.

Really.

By Grabthar's Hammer.

Off topic: Another Galaxy Quest fan!! Guilty pleasure. LOL

Sorry

 

[buckytom]

Nnnnever give up. Never surrender...

 

[blissful]

Nnnnever give up. Never surrender...

Yes, don't surrender!

Ruffsta, you can do this.

 

[karadekoolaid]

RUN, don´t walk, to a laboratory which specialises in analyzing food products. They will be able to work out a profile of your product, professionally, in less time than it takes us to press "ENTER"

 

[Ruffsta]

Cool Sirloin!


https://www.fda.gov/files/food/published/Food-Labeling-Guide-(PDF).pdf
Page 18, number 10:

10. How are spices, natural flavors or artificial flavors declared in
ingredient lists?
Answer: These may be declared in ingredient lists by using either specific
common or usual names or by using the declarations “spices,” “flavor” or
“natural flavor,” or “artificial flavor.”
“INGREDIENTS: Apple Slices, Water, Cane Syrup, Corn Syrup, Modified
Corn Starch, Spices, Salt, Natural Flavor and Artificial Flavor”
However, products that are spices or spice blends, flavors or colors must list
each ingredient by name. FD&C Act 403(i)(2) and 21 CFR 101.22(h)(1)


I didn't think you'd like this. Sorry!

but i have seen rubs and seasonings that only say:

INGREDIENTS:
Salt, Sugar & Spices

as well as labels not containing the business address.. just the, city, state and website... some labels do not even have a phone number..

so, how come they can do that and yer telling me i can't?

Allspice, Anise, Basil, Bay leaves, Caraway seed, Cardamon, Celery seed, Chervil, Cinnamon, Cloves, Coriander, Cumin seed, Dill seed, Fennel seed, Fenugreek, Ginger, Horseradish, Mace, Marjoram, Mustard flour, Nutmeg, Oregano, Paprika, Parsley, Pepper, black; Pepper, white; Pepper, red; Rosemary, Saffron, Sage, Savory, Star aniseed, Tarragon, Thyme, Turmeric.

Paprika, turmeric, and saffron or other spices which are also colors, shall be declared as "spice and coloring"

- my ingredients are all in that list.. so i CAN use

INGREDIENTS:
Salt, Sugar & Spices

the way i wanted to

 

[Ruffsta]

RUN, don´t walk, to a laboratory which specialises in analyzing food products. They will be able to work out a profile of your product, professionally, in less time than it takes us to press "ENTER"

yeah if you wanna spend $800 - $1,000 - but i don't

 

[blissful]

Ruffsta, I'm not telling you that you can or cannot.

The FDA website says that, they are telling you.
Whether you do or not, is your decision.


I don't know why some do or don't have that information on them.

I could only guess why not. Maybe under old labeling laws it wasn't required, and the product may be old. Or maybe they aren't considered seasoning mix and they are considered something else. I don't know.

 

[Ruffsta]

ok, lost track of where we were in figuring out this salt and then sugar